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Man Hangs Self in View of Shoppers Near Sport Chalet

A local man commits suicide behind the store at Alicia Parkway and Pacific Park.

Editor's Note: This story originally published Aug. 1.

ORANGE COUNTY, Calif. -- Investigators believe a 49-year-old man hanged himself Wednesday behind Sport Chalet in Laguna Niguel.

He was later identified as .

Authorities originally said the body was found behind the nearby Costco, but on Thursday, witnesses and city officials said the suicide actually happened behind the at 27080 Alicia Parkway.

Using his own belt, the man hanged himself in plain view of shoppers behind the store, said Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino.

"He must have wanted to be found," said Amormino. "I don't know any problem that is that bad that it cannot be helped. There is always hope. And clearly this person was depressed. But with help, it may have made a difference. He is someone's uncle or father, and he leaves behind those people at such a relatively young age."

The Sheriff’s Department received a call that a from the railing at the back of the Costco at 2:26 p.m. Wednesday.

The first deputy on the scene attempted CPR, as did paramedics, but the man was declared dead at the scene, sheriff's Lt. Lloyd Downing said.

Lauren August 05, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Sad that people are disregarding the fact that someone DIED. Have some respect....@ Cindy- may he rest in peace, no hurt or sadness can plague him and may he become your guardian angel. We need to get off our high horses and open our eyes and ears, see the world and listen....this tragedy could have been prevented if someone was to just listen.
Tom Berney August 06, 2012 at 02:04 AM
Right" has any contributor on this thread ever talked to any of the homeless? I have my sister helps feed the truly down and out at the Catholic church, some are families others are alcoholics and drug addicts, It DOESN'T MATTER, we don't judge I never did but I may has assumed wrong, I have many times engaged a few I see and after talking to them will give them money and tell them to get the beer or whatever they need, Nothing and I mean NOTHING will help someone until they are WILLING to change, They are in pain and some have lost all hope, and for those that's all they have left.
Rosie August 06, 2012 at 03:22 AM
Wow Nicole, I'd call that response to Cindy pretty hateful. That's how you speak to the bereaved?
Rosie August 06, 2012 at 03:34 AM
Wow Nicole, I'd call that response to Cindy pretty hateful. That's how you speak to the bereaved?Oh,and enlisting is most certainly is the same thing. Some one has made the decision that if anything happens they will be ready to be deployed and to possibly give their own life. Just because the country was not at war during his time of service does not make his commitment any less honorable. Though you may not think yourself hateful, you certainly are offensive. Please take these exchanges to your pastor a let him council you.
SideShow Bob August 06, 2012 at 05:02 PM
Cindy, First let me say, I am sorry for your loss. Any loss of life is tragic and we feel for his survivors. Secondly, let me tell you that I am not happy that you, your boyfriend, and your buddies at the perch are in town. You have a roof over your head, a computer, and an internet connection. These are not the things transients have. You are misleading people and defrauding the goodwill of the people who give to you. It is my belief, that the life you were living was chosen. Flying/Begging is more lucrative than working, and there are no bosses telling you cut your hair or wash your hands. So you stand there and act sad hoping/knowing that someone will be giving you money, so you can keep your internet and cable on. I call BS on the lifestyle. I see a young ( under 40) man standing out there for hours on end. If you are able to stand up for 4-6 hours you are able to work. I have a friend who needs verifiable laborers, meaning he need legal citizens to work. They have stopped and offered several of the beggars near Costco full time work. They were told the job was not wanted, it pays more to beg. SHAMEFUL. I work hard for my money and pay taxes on my income. You expect me to give you my post tax money so you don’t have to work hard. Well trust me that is never going to happen. I pay taxes and I give to the church and to food pantries. You people take that money tax free, you contribute nothing to society, you are a drain, a fraud, and a cheat.
Nicole August 06, 2012 at 05:15 PM
Well Rosie, Id say that other people left many more hateful comments than I. I said THE LOSE OF LIFE IS A TRAGEDY - more than once. I am sorry I dnt sympathize more with these people when they admit they are not homeless. If I had a pastor, Id be sure to set a meeting.
Kait Aud August 06, 2012 at 06:50 PM
This is such a sad story. I am currently involved with a non-profit organization, My Broken Palace, located locally in Rancho Santa Margarita. We work with teens who are dealing with addiction, abuse, depression, or having thoughts of suicide. If you are interested in receiving more information about us, visit MyBrokenPalace. com "No one lonely alone!"
Adriene Bounlom August 06, 2012 at 07:59 PM
I actually read the story and then read all the comments. First someone said "beggar," then someone said "homeless," then someone said "transient." And all of a sudden, David is a homeless, transient beggar. Nowhere does it say in the story that the man (or his wife) was any of that. The only thing the article states is that he committed suicide behind Sports Chalet, that's it.
malika August 06, 2012 at 08:02 PM
That is exactly what I do Amanda, I always tell them:"I give food, not money". I have bought a meal at 7/11, at Jack in the Box, or given my own food that I planned to take home from work. I read he was a veteran, my son fought in Iraq and I worried for his mental health. These people put their lives on the line for this country but they get hardly any help upon their return. My grandson hurt his back in boot camp and they won't recognize his injury even refusing to let him see and army doctor, they said he has to get a diagnosis from a private doctor, the kid has no medical insurance and no money to go to a doctor. So he attends his Army Reserve weekends with a bad back. We need better support for our veterans. Cindy, I am so sorry for your loss.
SideShow Bob August 06, 2012 at 09:46 PM
Adriene, Read the rest of the stories on the topic. The girlfriend has admitted to Beggin for money. I am sure his sign did not say "Please help me pay my internet bill"
Kathi August 07, 2012 at 12:01 AM
I don't know that all of the comments about the beggars on the corner across the street from where he died refer to him. While somewhere it did mention that he occasionally would ask for handouts there, many of the comments were just about the issue of the almost constant panhandlers on the corner there--not aimed at him. That really should be a separate issue from the very sad fact that for some reason he chose to take his own life. Of course the fact that there are panhandlers, beggars or whatever you want to call them on that corner almost constantly is also sad. Reportedly at least some of them are cleaning up & making more than at a job, while others probably truly are needy, but hard to tell on the street corner. I see that a new article w more biographical info about David has been posted today. It sounds from all that i have read that he was a kind-hearted & talented man who also had issues & struggles that apparently got to where it seemed hopeless. It hurts me whenever I read of someone committing suicide. I wish I could have been there for them. I will be praying about how to help those in need. I lean toward programs, like ones the OC Rescue Mission has, to actually help lift people up out of whatever causes them to be on the street or begging. Our church has adopted 4 families & we are also donating school supplies in backpacks to South County Outreach.
Kathi August 07, 2012 at 12:11 AM
OK, I read something about that, however dragging that up when a man has apparently lost all hope so that he commits suicide seems to be disparaging the dead. Some of the comments were more generic about the issue that people are almost constantly begging on that corner. Now when I go by there soon, they may have packed up for the afternoon but during the day they are almost always there. But again, even though it was mentioned that he did that sometimes, I don't think its appropriate to berate a person after they have died.
Dave August 07, 2012 at 05:37 AM
My deepest condolences to Cindy. I knew Dave and he did see combat in South America, Society does not train you to beg and for someone to get the courage to stand on the corner their life probably is in dire straights most have mental illness or addiction or unique situation that put them on the corner. Just because a person looks like they are capable of working, you have no idea if they are mentally ill and everyone needs money. Shelters and churches don't provide everything you need or a safe place to stay. Saddleback church is one of richest churches in the country and will only help you if you are a member. If you go from nothing to making 100$ a day, no business will pay you a living wage and you can't live on 100$ a day in the O.C.
Dave August 07, 2012 at 05:38 AM
As for these people exploiting society, think about all the corporate entity exploiting children in china so you can have your i-phone or toaster. You have a choice to give them money or drive buy them when they could come to your neighborhood and steal or do whatever it takes to get money that they need. Not that I approve of this behavior but it is better then the alternative. When was the last time you had no one to call, no family support or were broke for a lot of people that shop in the shopping center that is not a reality they have ever known. If you believe in God and you can give then there making you feel good because it is better to give then receive. No one wants to be on the corner but society is not always clean streets and a BMW.
OC Mom August 07, 2012 at 05:00 PM
If he's a painter he needs the truck for work. I have seen that family many times with the kids doing their homework while sitting on folding chairs. I always feel bad for the kids because this is all that they know. I always wonder if they go to school in this area and worry about being seen by their classmates. One day I saw the mom and one of the kids and a dog walking with a bag of groceries and it looks like they might live in one of the nearby apartments. I know that the Vineyard Church in Laguna Niguel has Mercy House which sells used furniture and they also give food to the needy. There are also a lot of homeless sleeping in the parking lot of the Ziggurat building. The cost of living in OC is so high that some people might be supplementing their income with panhandling. I've also seen a blonde woman in her 50's dressed nicely like she used to have an office job standing near Nellie Gail neighborhood as well as near Sprouts. I agree with previous posters that we need to take care of American Citizens before we continue giving money and food stamps to people who enter our country illegally and often assume the identities of citizens causing a multitude of problems for the citizen whose identity was stolen.
MakeSense August 08, 2012 at 01:17 AM
I wonder who makes more $, the people begging for money on the corner or the Hispanic workers cleaning your car at the car wash for a $2 dollar tip? Or I wonder how much the gardner who is up @ 5am mowing grass makes? Weird how these people would rather work extremely hard for pennies than stand on a corner with a sign, I bet Juan Perez Sanchez wouldnt last a day out there w/ out OC sheriff all over it... I too have seen the African American family as well as the young Caucasian couple with a BABY by the post office and Lowes. Why hasn't anyone called Child Protective Services on these people? These 'parents' clearly cannot support these children if they are begging for change. So many questions...
Lucy Gonzalez August 08, 2012 at 03:16 AM
Some of this people made at christmas time $700.00 a day!
OC Mom August 08, 2012 at 06:48 AM
She may be responding from a smartphone. Your comment is not encouraging. It is hard to type on a cell phone. Now if she truly doesn't know how to spell you should blame our wonderful public school system. They continue to dumb down education and those who need extra help fall thru the cracks. Orange County is a very affluent, elitist area. There are many who don't know what it's like to do without. The well off in OC aren't dependent on the public school system to educate their children. If you've been on your own since you were 18 and had no support from your family, do you think that you'd feel the same? Many well off South OC families have extended family support that those who live in poverty do not have.
Kathi August 08, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Some very good points, Carl. & all this about the people on the corners asking for $ really is not about David. Yeah, one of the reports said that he did sometimes ask for $. I wonder if he might have been the guy that I rarely saw on the median on Pacific Park near Alicia or another less prime spot. Most of these comments are about the people out there in general or specific other people than him. & just sad that whatever his issues were they apparently seemed to overwhelming to lead to this outcome. So sad. & again thinking of Cindy. Also thinking about constructive ways to help those in need who probably have other needs besides just $ for food. I prefer being involved in more long term solutions to long term problems--teaching a person to fish rather than just giving a fish. Of course in this case not all are interested changes to move out of panhandling. But they are all fellow human beings.
Kathi August 08, 2012 at 07:33 PM
mamaduck, the problem is that apparently there is a mixture of truly needy w others who apparently have simply found that panhandling is a good way to make a living. & some who are needy really need more than $ or just a meal. I generally prefer to give through programs that work w the needy & who know who truly is needy & also that may do things to give a hand up, rather than just a hand out. Our church has adopted 4 needy families & also helps others. Currently we have been contributing to a backpack w school supplies drive & besides those 4 families we are giving them to South County Outreach who will be distributing them.
Kathi August 08, 2012 at 07:42 PM
Nicole, you do know that people can use computers at libraries to get on the internet don't you? I don't know if that is what Cindy is doing or not, but do not assume that necessarily because she is posting here that she has her own computer, or even if she does, it could be older & she could be using free wifi or something. We don't know. But at any rate, this forum concerning the loss of her "soul mate" does not seem like an appropriate place to be judging her after she has just lost her fiance. There is a time & place for everything & to be criticizing a person who has just experienced such a loss would be better left unsaid at this time of her grief. Many of the other comments are more general about the issue of people panhandling on the corner there & in the area, but to rag on her at a time like this does not seem appropriate!
Kathi August 08, 2012 at 07:49 PM
SideShow Bob, while your comments may have truth to them, you do not know for sure that she has a computer & her own internet connection. Last I heard one could use a computer at the library for free, or some apt complexes may have them. Plus there are free wifi hot spots if someone does have a computer. But even if totally true, ragging on a woman who has just lost her fiance is just not very appropriate! You can choose not to give to those on the corners, but berating one who is grieving is just not appropriate!
Kathi August 08, 2012 at 07:59 PM
Well all this has stimulated my thinking. I'm very sad that David got to the point where apparently suicide seemed the only answer. I drive by that area often & nearly always see the people on the corner begging. I want to help people, but aware that giving a handout to someone on the corner may be feeding a drug or booze habit or just enabling lazy people. But likely those people are needy in various ways, & really need more than just a few bucks, but rather a hand up. Not all of course are willing to receive that. We've had rescue missions on skid rows for many years that will feed & offer a bed to those there which increasingly has included homeless families. I know in OC there is the OC Rescue Mission that is doing wonderful work w a transitional living program to help people off the streets. So this has prodded me a bit more to investigate ways to constructively help the needy w more than just a few bucks.
Carl August 09, 2012 at 05:39 AM
David's passing is really sad, but what makes me upset the most is seeing how people can be so insensitive to so someone who just lost a loved one. This article is not about people asking for money, is about a man who ended his own life. If he was asking for money or not doesn't make his passing less valuable. Cindy, I would like to apologize to you if in any way my comments were insensitive to David's passing, it was not my intention, I didn't know him and my comments were never aimed at him. I believe he was a great human being, with issues like all of us, and just so you know he is in my prayers. I truly believe that any other comment regarding immigrants, homeless, etc etc should be saved for an article that talks about specifically on that.. Hopefully, the reporter of this article would write another article regarding this issue...hopefully it would clarify many things to many people.
Tracy August 09, 2012 at 03:44 PM
there were plenty of beggars standing around, wonder why none of them saw this poor guy or tried to help? Or did they not care? From what I have read no one assumed he was homeless, just the observation that the surrounding area is impacted with career beggars.
Tracy August 09, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Nicole I agree, my husband and I would get 2nd and 3rd jobs to feed and house our 6 kids and lets not forget and all the freaking taxes taken out of our hard earned $ for the ones who are here illegally...gets my blood boiling this topic :/ We have helped OC Mission and purchased food and items for specific homeless families that actually qualify as such and it truly is sad, they are so broken, but encouraged and educated by these ministries to pick up again and get jobs. They come out with a great testimony, but they have to put in the effort x 10 to get there. The rewards are great ;)
Kathi August 09, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Yes, very good points. The 2 issues kind of got intertwined when they really shouldn't have. You said it well. I was reminded of all this today though & yesterday as driving in the area yesterday in the heat I saw a man on the median of Alicia, walking along w his face looking rather red. He may have been heading to panhandle on a median or maybe not. & then today around noon in the heat at Pacific Park & Heather Ridge by Costco, I saw a bald man w no hat standing in the sun & then moving briefly to the shade & then back to the sun. I felt like urging him to get a hat to provide some protection from the sun. Sure do not want any of those people getting a sun stroke. Yesterday I noticed that corner was vacant so I would guess that many of them have more sense than to stand out in the sun at mid-day anyway.
lrockriver August 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM
I don't think it really matter WHERE it is that it DID happen. Someone was in so much pain inside, that they felt as this was the only way, as it states. And if he did this in front of people, why didn't any one try and STOP him ????
craig August 11, 2012 at 03:31 AM
thats totaly not true he served in granada ans saw his friend killed by friendly fire i tried to tell him to get more help from the va but hedidnt want to take from the gfovbernment he simply asked people for a little help and the people that did help im sure were in a much better finacial situation than therm they have been styruggling for years to keep a roof over there heads so quit judging and be reak
Carl August 12, 2012 at 08:15 AM
Well, it does matter where it happened, just because the location would answer your last question. Costco is a very open place, many people would have seen it, unless it happened in the backside of Costco, where pretty much no one goes by there. However, we now know that it didn't happened near the premises of Costco, but instead behind Sport Chalet, a place that is not really in the view of many people, especially if you are looking in front of you while driving. Although many cars drive by it, it is really hard to focus your eyes on that spot, if someone in a car saw it, probably was a passenger who was looking out by the window. The title of the article is deceiving....I would like to believe that if something like that really happened in front of shoppers, they would have reacted different...the title turns the shoppers into spectators... and I truly doubt that that's what happened.

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