Peaceful Demonstration at Chick-Fil-A

My pride and support of the first amendment was in full force today, at Laguna Niguel's Chick-Fil-A.

I just came back from participating in my first ever demonstration. It was peaceful, thank God. And that's the word that was kind of at the center of it or at least His written word.

I am not an evangelist and couldn't care less what your religion is, or if you even have one. It's your choice. But I sure do care about freedom of speech. How could that have anything to do with God and his written word and a peaceful demonstration?

Simple, we went to . Were you there? It was wonderful. For a demonstration, it was pretty tame. No chanting or singing. No: "we will overcome."

No confronting of police. People stood in line and smiled and talked about why they were there. The cars moved in line to the fast-serve window. We waited about 30 minutes in line outside to get served. Why were we there?

Freedom of speech doesn't just go one way. It's not just for liberal causes; it's for every American. People died for this freedom. It is our First Amendment. 

The CEO of Chick-Fil-A had the nerve to say that he believed in the Bible's definition of marriage and being married to his first wife. What an animal! How dare he say that, said the mayor of Chicago, Barry's old chief of staff.

There will be no Chick-Fil-A's in Chicago if he has anything to say about it. The mayor of Boston has said the same thing. There will be no Chick-Fil-A's there if he has anything to say about it. After all, that's not what Boston stands for. Boston doesn't stand for free speech? Interesting isn't it.

Where is John Adams when you need him? So, if I understand these mayors correctly it's OK to speak in favor of "Gay Pride," "Gay Marriage," "Gay" whatever but don't think for a moment you can speak out for the definition of marriage as God says in the Bible. Does it seem just a bit one sided? 

Should it ever have gotten to this point where we can be ruled into thinking that freedom of speech only protects the Left and not the Right? Shame on US.

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Paul Herzbrun August 03, 2012 at 01:05 AM
I have really enjoyed the comments back and forth about my blog's central concept, the support of freedom of speech. We went to Chick Fil A because people were calling for a boycott against the business because of the CEO's statement supporting marriage as defined in the bible and we wanted to show we didn't agree with that action. Now I find that my money goes " to fund a bill which continues to legalize the killing of gays in Uganda." I can only guess that the bill must be one our congress has passed and our president signed authorizing money to kill gays. I just find that a bit hard to believe. Can you furnish the bill number or name so we can fight it together? Also, I haven't done the research but how does one find out that a company has donated millions to groups who make it their mission to attack the gay community through lies and distortions? What are the names of the groups and have you seen proof that this company has sent money for this purpose? What are the lies and distortion? Has Chick Fil A sent money supporting the form of marriage they believe in or just to fight gay marriage? The issue on both sides of the equation is freedom of speech for the Left and the Right. Can't have one without the other, or at least we shouldn't have it should we? If we believe only one side has the right to speak out then Shame on Us!
Valerie Burchfield Rhodes August 03, 2012 at 06:09 AM
Paul - I sincerely appreciate your willingness to admit you haven't done the research and are willing to dedicate your time to fighting against the Ugandan proposal that would make homosexuality a capital offense. I will be happy to source my material if you are sincere in your willingness to consider a different perspective than your original premise. Are you being sincere or facetious?
BC in the OC August 03, 2012 at 04:27 PM
So Dan, I guess you are okay with Mayors deciding unequivocally that everyone who lives in their city shares their personal views of what businesses are acceptable, and that banishment based upon a singular statement made by the CEO of that business is fair and equal treatment. No other persons living in their city should have a voice, and the laws that have been enacted by the people should no longer matter... we should let the Mayor be our moral compass. Sounds rather illogical to me. Dictatorship, not a democracy... And I now understand that you consider porn shops, strip clubs, pot dispensaries and chicken sandwich stores with Christian ownership to all provide the same moral and ethical value to local society. I won't resort to the frequent name-calling and castigation of others you employ, because as you said, apparently "Maybe you should look at your sense of equality. It's pretty messed up." So, I'm going to go eat some chicken and do some self-reflection... or maybe I'll just eat the chicken.
Paul Herzbrun August 03, 2012 at 06:07 PM
I cannot say that I would dedicate my time against the Ugandan Proposal. I would however register my belief that such a penalty is totally wrong and further that homosexuality should not be considered a crime. I still believe that what is done behind closed doors between consenting adults is their business and not mine. I am concerned over the restriction of freedom of speech in our country and not the sexual releases of people.
S.A.P. August 03, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Dan, I'm glad we can agree that you weren't attacked. Adults should be able to have a conversation in a comments section without name calling & personal attacks, although I have found that to be rare here.
Dan Avery August 03, 2012 at 10:07 PM
BC I have no idea how you went from me pointing out a long history of banning legal businesses for so-called moral reason and me being okay with it. That isn't even logical. I guess you're just grasping at straws to make me look bad.
S.A.P. August 04, 2012 at 03:37 AM
Paranoia will destroy ya....
Valerie Burchfield Rhodes August 04, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Paul, in response to your comment, "... I haven't done the research but how does one find out that a company has donated millions to groups who make it their mission to attack the gay community through lies and distortions? What are the names of the groups and have you seen proof that this company has sent money for this purpose?...." here is but one link to requested documentation: http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201111010001 which predates this latest CFA kerfuffle. So you see, the backlash against CFA is not about Cathy's recent remarks but comes from years of the company's "charitable giving." Hope this is helpful.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 03:47 AM
Dan, even an ACLU official has come out & said that it is unconstitutional for those mayors to discriminate against Chick-fil-A because of the viewpoint expressed by their CEO. As individuals we can choose to patronize or not patronize a business because of views supported by owners but govt entities are NOT allowed to discriminate based on the VIEWPOINT of the owners or officers of a co! & its morally repugnant to hold the view that has been held by most all Americans up until at least recently? & even Obama, when campaigning for the presidency said he did not support same-sex marriage. Were his views repugnant at that time? & note that Chick-fil-A does not discriminate. Also contrary to all the LGBT slander, they are pro-traditional marriage. & did you see the video of that idiot who thought he was doing such a noble thing by videotaping himself driving up to a Chick-fil-A drive through for the free water & berating the employee--who very courteously handed him the free water & wished him well? & she continued to be courteous to him & wish him well as he continued berating her for working there.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 03:54 AM
Dan, like most LGBT activists you seem to twist words. We are all equal & we all have the same equal rights to marry someone of the opposite sex! You already have the exact same rights as everyone else has! But what you want are NOT the exact same rights, you want special & different rights to change the definition of marriage to suit yourselves & are calling it civil rights--as though it is a civil right to marry someone of the same sex. & then polygamists can & already have in Canada made the same claims of civil rights to their view of marriage.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 04:01 AM
So Dan, do you think it would be right for a community to say to say, Home Depot that they are not welcome in the community & they will block them being able to locate in the community because they openly support same-sex marriage? That is illegal viewpoint discrimination when a govt official discriminates--in the name of tolerance & non-discrimination against a co based on the view point of co officials. & even an ACLU official in IL came out & said that what the 2 govt officials in Chicago proposed was illegal. Of course its also totally hypocritical & displaying anti-Christian bigotry! They were basically saying that Christians who believe the bible aren't welcome there & those viewpoints aren't welcome there. SO TOLERANT! NOT!
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 04:18 AM
Well, Valerie, I find several false notions in your post & in most comments by LGBT activists. We get rather tired of all the name calling & lies, calling people who simply believe what the bible says about homosexuality haters. LGBT activists have been twisting language & falsely accusing those opposed to same sex marriage of bigotry, hatred, etc--all the while displaying anti-Christian hatred & bigotry. I'm not one who claimed I didn't have a stance on "gay marriage." I like many of the people I saw at the Aliso Viejo, Chick-fil-A were there to positively affirm our support of the biblical definition of marriage & family! It was a very friendly & positive crowd. The service was warm & welcoming. & oh yeah, they didn't enquire about anyone's sexual orientation or anything. & you & other LGBT activists are pushing a false position saying that "gays" can't change their sexual orientation--totally denying the validity of those who have! But you all just ignore them & deny their existence. All people already have marriage equality. We are all on the same basis to marry someone of the opposite sex. There is NO lack of equality there! What you want is to invent new rights to same-sex marriage. All these claims that people are trying to take away your rights are lies as they are not rights that ever were! & killing gays in Uganda is a lie. Evangelicals do NOT support that.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 04:27 AM
Actually, I know of no Evangelical who supports the death penalty for homosexuals in Uganda. There were accusations about that, but one who was over there working w them on a bill related to homosexuality was totally against the death penalty for homosexuals. If you are so het up against the supposed support of groups that Cathy supports, how about that mosque that the Boston mayor supported? Mark Steyn in a recent column brought out that one of the board members of the mosque not only advocates killing homosexuals but his debate was just which horrible way to do it. So what about that mosque in Boston & its board member? As far as that Ugandan proposal to make homosexuality a capital offense, it was my understanding that part had died & I know of NO US support for that! Again, there was 1 man who had worked w Ugandan authorities on this & was accusing of supporting that, but who came out against the death penalty. So have you updated your resources on this? From what I know of the Cathy family, they would not be supporting killing people. & they do not discriminate.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 04:44 AM
Well Valerie, you & the site you reference there are hypocrites, as it is attacking pro-family groups through lies & distortions. Basically your problem seems to be with what God has said in the bible about homosexuality & so you & other LGBT activists attack anyone who believes & supports what the bible says. The main focus of most of those is a positive focus on family & marriage from a biblical perspective. Yes, there is some push-back because of those like you attacking biblical values, but mostly they are promoting family. Fellowship of Christian Athletes is just what it says. The fact that they or any other Christian group helped someone leave what the bible calls sin, does NOT make them a hate group. Focus on the Family supports strong families. On their radio program, much of it is directed toward parenting, helping husbands & wives through the challenges of marriages, etc. So that web-link you posted is anti-Christian, since really your beef is with the fact that the Cathys believe the bible & support groups who support biblical principles, some of which can include what it says about homosexuality.
Kathi August 05, 2012 at 04:54 AM
In one way those of us who chose to patronize Chick-fil-A on Wed in support of Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day (as proposed by Gov Huckabe) were demonstrating, but it was mostly just an affirmation. Apparently for different people it meant different things. For some, apprently they just supported free speech & didn't like govt officials intolerant & discriminatory threats in the name of tolerance & non-discrimination. & for others of it, it was that as well as an affirmation of support for the biblical definition of marriage & the stance the Cathy family has taken. Long before any of this came out, they have been well known for their strong support of Christian values--such as being closed on Sundays to allow their employees to have time for church & family. I had heard of that probably before 2000. & to demonize them for simply supporting what most everybody supported, including Obama before his election (at least that is what he said then--who knows what he actually felt about it at the time he was asked at the Saddleback election forum) is rather strange. But it is typical of the way homosexual activists have been demonizing anyone who believes homosexuality is wrong or that same-sex "marriage" is wrong. We have long been called all sorts of names for simply supporting what the bible teaches. However we do not hate homosexuals, any more than we hate those who engage in most other sins.
Valerie Burchfield Rhodes August 05, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Kathi - So much anger. Perhaps you should seek out a more positive, Christ-like church. Peace to you on this beautiful Sunday morning.
Dan Avery August 05, 2012 at 05:12 PM
Kathi, Read what I said. I never said I was in favor of it or opposed to it. What I did say was that's there is a long history of banning legal businesses. I also implied that being okay with banning medical marijuana dispensaries, strip clubs, and porn palaces, but not a junk food place is hypocritical. All of them are legal. That's where I personally come down. I am not for banning any legal businesses. And, for the record, because gay people can't get married they don't have the same rights as you do. They can not file joint tax returns. They can not get half in a divorce, they can not visit their soul mate in an icu, they can't be put on their soul mates health insurance through work as a spouse unless the business specifically sets that up. While Chick 'da Fil will sell junk food to anyone they do discriminate. They spent $2 million dollars in 2009 alone discriminating. When you give that sort of money to hate groups what do you thinik you're doing? Acting the way Jesus would? Yes, when you treat anyone as lesser than yourself and deny them rights you have that is morally repugnant. Didn't you pay attention in social studies? Being in the so-caloled majority doesn't make it right. Stop mischaracterizing what I am saying. It lacks class and is completely transparent. You can lie quietly to yourself. Go right ahead. You continue to lie in public out loud people will get in your face.
Dan Avery August 05, 2012 at 05:14 PM
Kathi, If you want to see what I think about people who hold your views personally, read this: http://missionviejo.patch.com/blog_posts/in-the-eyes-of-the-lord
Frieda Wales August 06, 2012 at 02:51 PM
The bible is not relevant to U.S. laws.
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Well Dan, interesting satire putting up rather a straw man. I enjoy diversity & having friends & neighbors of different backgrounds. I used to call people on the OCR website comments section on assuming that anyone w a Spanish surname was an illegal alien from Mexico. I have lots of latino friends & co-workers & I have noticed that I can't tell their country of origin or immigration status unless they tell me. & included among my friends are some who I found out are undocumented. I don't own a gun or feel any desire to own one, although I do support the 2nd amendment. I do believe in at least regulating businesses that are detrimental to the community such as porn shops, etc. Chick-fil-A is not junk food. You might want to take a look at their website--they fully disclose ingredients, calories & other nutritional info. I don't think most places are that open about that. I had a chicken salad when I was there. The chicken--like that at Rubios & several other places is grilled, not fried like KFC. I do recognize civil marriage--which still has always been 1 man w 1 woman! & again you are NOT being discriminated against. You have the same right to marry within the legal definition of marriage that anyone else has--that is someone of the opposite sex. What you are advocating is re-defining marriage, & now American, as you have re-defined other words, like hate, phobia, etc. & yes we are all equal, I am no better than anyone else.
Dan Avery August 06, 2012 at 07:13 PM
Kathi, A straw man is an intentional misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. I didn't misrepresent the argument of those who don't believe we should all have the same rights regarding marriage. All fast food places, or junk food, have to divulge their nutritional information by law these days. And they all do it. By definition preprocessed food is junk food, or fast food. Chick-Fil-A sells preprocessed food. They also inject it heavily with water. According to Forbes the company had been sued over a dozen times for discrimination by 2007. Forbes described the business as a "cult." The owner and real CEO Truett Cathy has said he would fire someone who has been "sinful." One woman who is suing Chick-Fil-A says in court documents she was fired because "women should be stay at home moms." The company has given many many millions to a verified hate group and other groups who work to discriminate. I'm going way out on a branch here. I think that sort of behavior is far more detrimental to our society than a porn movie. But, of course, I could be wrong.
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Wow Valerie, so much insult & deception clothed in those nice words. I do get a little bit angry at all the lies & name calling aimed at those who do not support same-sex marriage, however, note that I said a "little bit" as life is too short to be consumed by this. I do attend a positive, Christ honoring church that honors Him by following what He says in His word. You might want to read the New Testament to see what He actually said & did. Jesus did get angry at times, like at the money-changers in the temple. He spoke of marriage being a man leaving parents & cleaving to his wife--quoting the OT. He also reached out to sinners, but He did not tell them it was ok to continue in their sin. It is NOT loving or Christ-like for a church to lead people astray & tell them what God calls sin doesn't matter before God, just as it would not be loving for a dr to avoid the hard truth that a patient has cancer. I do pray that you will come to His peace. & yes it was a beautiful Sunday morning yesterday & we were uplifted, focusing on God's promises & seems to be a beautiful day today. Have a nice day!
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Shripathi, just to address part of your comment. Those who were at Chick-fil-A appreciation day (which was not at all proposed by the co) did so for different reasons. Some were apparently there just in reaction to the blatant & unconstitutional, anti-Christian bullying of those elected officials that they seemed to think that was a proper exercise of govt.--pushing back on that arrogant assumption. Many or most of us were there, standing in solidarity w the Cathys stance for the traditional & biblical definition of marriage. & standing against the lie that to be for families & the traditional definition of marriage has somehow become un-American. Most of us have lots of things to do in life & have to pick & choose what we actively support. This was a very easy way to express support for something we agree w. As far as Westboro, I would guess that most of us find what they say & do to be despicable but protected speech as the SCOTUS found. But we aren't going out of our way to defend that & our system of govt took care of it & vindicated their free speech rights--not their message. So we all pick & choose our support & battles--not having time to right every injustice--& you & I undoubtedly disagree in part on what are injustices.
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Pacific Coast Mama, the bible is relevant to US laws as much of our system of laws is based on biblical principles. & this is obvious from studying some of our founding documents & also the comments of some of our founding Fathers. In addition you might want to take a look at the Supreme Court building. It does show the 10 commandments on it. & further "separation of church & state" is not in the US Constitution & the context of the time of the establishment clause was related to having a particular denomination as the "state church" as they had in England w the Church of England. Read some years ago that Parliament was considering revisions to the Book of Common Prayer of the Church of England. That type of govt entanglement w a particular church is anathema to us. & the even greater involvement earlier on was why the Pilgrims & others came to the new world.
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 08:35 PM
You know actually in thinking back on this, while in one way it was a demonstration, it sure wasn't like a usual demonstration. This was simply those of us who wanted to support Chick-fil-A for whatever our reasons (& they seemed to vary somewhat) going there to buy a meal. While we did it, we experience a very warm sense of camaraderie. It was a very friendly crowd of people & just a very positive experience. & of course some people may have been there just because the like Chick-fil-A & maybe weren't even aware of the issues surrounding the day (I did talk to some later who didn't even know about it). The grilled chicken Southwest salad (I think that was what it was called) was good. After the rush tapered off enough so that the staff weren't so busy just tending to the people lined up, they circulated around & enquired to make sure that the food & service were good. I've had other restaurants do that to a certain extent but they seemed to go well beyond that. Obviously well trained staff to ensure that all of their customers were very happy w their meal & the whole experience. All in all it was just a nice very positive experience.
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Dan, you say Chick isn't a church its a business. Well the 1st amendment--if you go back & read it doesn't say anything about church! It is talking about people--not just official, organized houses of worship. Also you are comparing apples & oranges when you mention prohibiting pot dispensaries, etc. Those are against a whole class of business (& of course for pot there is a discrepancy between federal & state law), but each of those examples are for specific types of businesses--not singling out a particular store because you don't like what they say. & of course the ACLU representative in IL & other legal scholars have already weighed in that it would be unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination to do what the Mayor & those others proposed,
Kathi August 06, 2012 at 11:43 PM
Dan, you are changing the subject & being very disingenuous in your response if not outright lying. Please re-read your post in which you referred me to your post on the MV Patch which was a total caricature & straw man of those who believe in the traditional definition of marriage. I addressed that but you totally are ignoring my response other than 1 word. At least try to be honest in your responses! You specifically addressed me in that post that contained the link & now you are trying to change the subject to that supposedly Chick-fil-A & Truett Cathy who of course was the founder of the chain did, & what Forbes supposedly said about it--but no way to verify that. As far as donating to hate groups, I saw the list that was on the link someone else provided. While not familiar with all of the groups listed as supposed hate groups, I am familiar w several of them & they promote solid family values, helping families w parenting advice among other things. Standing up for the traditional view of marriage does not make a group either a hate group or discriminatory. But that was not what you had on the link anyway! In addition, didn't have Webster's handy but used iPhone define (which I assume is probably the same as what you have on your iPad) which has a rather different definition of "junk food." & most meat for sale in grocery stores has water & a lot of the poultry has "flavor enhancers" etc added. Yes, I do prefer mine without, but that does not make it junk food.
Frieda Wales August 06, 2012 at 11:51 PM
OK, lets try another angle. A box of crayons. Your bible says that only the red, yellow, and green crayons should be used. So you only use those colors. A lot of people you know follow these "biblical" rules and they are happy people. I have a box I want to use the blue and orange crayons and all of the colors! Your red, yellow and green crayons are still there for you to use. Nothing different for you and your box of crayons. The way I use my crayons has nothing to do with how you use yours. The same principal can be applied to traditional marriage and it's correlation to gay marriage. A gay couple getting married has no effect on other marriages. None at all.
Frieda Wales August 06, 2012 at 11:52 PM
In other words - as I've heard it put so aptly - If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get gay married!
Paul Herzbrun August 07, 2012 at 04:52 PM
Very helpful and thank you. I found as I read excerpts from the site that the groups Mr. Cathy has donated to holds sex outside of marriage with the same disgust as homosexual behavior. He seems to be interested in promoting safe and sane sex between consulting adults. Seems as though that is well within his rights as an American just as it is for our president to suddenly decide he is favor of Gay marriage. The only difference being that Mr Cathy isn't running for president and needs every vote he can get. It has been fun to watch the interaction and comments about my blog. The whole message is that some people selectively believe in freedom of speech. If a person wants to spot off about the wonders of hetero sex or homo sex and they do not infringe on my rights as a private citizen let them do so. If we don't let them do that, if we restrict their true rights to speak freely without fear of the government then Shame on Us!


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